Hi. Here is a question. How do you change the career inside the company? I am an analyst/programmer in a non-technical department, and I am currently trying to move to an analyst position in the technical department. It’s a real problem! I like coding more than data analysis, but I like system analysis more than coding. I am doing it all right now, and I am tired of jumping from one field to another one doing the job that should have been done by three different specialists and getting the “non-technical” salary. My manager thinks I am a talented person, a problem solver with “can do” attitude, but she is not saying that to other managers because she will loose a cheap specialist she won’t be able to replace quickly and for the same price. At the same time, technical people do not know me and think that if I did not perform full-time system analysis, this means that I am not an experienced analyst. I do not know formal system analysis procedures, I should be trained, and they don’t care about my talents. As a result, I am facing a situation when I don’t want to work in my current department, and I cannot find the job inside the company where, I thought, a lot of people can evaluate my skills and knowledge properly according, for example, my reviews that have always been excellent.
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>> I do not know formal system analysis procedures, I should be trained, and they don’t care about my talents. <<
A company which actually trains it's workers is pretty rare.
All the skills that I've learned over the years I've learned on my own time.
I would find where the good systems analysts hang out, what publications they read, what books are in their library, and do some self-study.
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A company which actually trains it's workers is pretty rare.
All the skills that I've learned over the years I've learned on my own time.
I would find where the good systems analysts hang out, what publications they read, what books are in their library, and do some self-study.
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fredericofonseca
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Speak with members of the other team to see if there is any need for new people.
And if your company is advertising any places to the position you with to change to, and only doing that externally, then you can always speak with HR and say you wish to apply to that position.
If after tha above you are told NO by your manager or by the other teams manager, then maybe it is time to start looking for another company.
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Frederico Fonseca
SysSoft Integrated Ltd
And if your company is advertising any places to the position you with to change to, and only doing that externally, then you can always speak with HR and say you wish to apply to that position.
If after tha above you are told NO by your manager or by the other teams manager, then maybe it is time to start looking for another company.
Regards
Frederico Fonseca
SysSoft Integrated Ltd
First of all: Be patient.
There has to be a job opening in the department where you want to go to.
Also: Did you talk at all to your manager about what you actually would like to do?
You can't blame her for not supporting you if you did not tell what you actually would like to do - And that you are not happy the way you are.
Even with management support this just takes a lot of time - I tried twice to change for much different reasons: first from consulting with lots of travelling to normal working hours. After 9 month or so of 'official' search for a new internal position I got an offer (without applying, just hearsay) from a different company and moved there.
Second time I wanted to change locations because I got married - well, even so there is a huge branch and my manager asked for support in the HR department - that did not help me finding a position. After commuting for a rather long time I quit again.
My samples - I just want to say: even so I think I tend to be a rather loyal employee never actually planning to change, and was lucky with managers too, to move within a company takes time and a little luck that you get what you expect.
The last thing I want to suggest is leaving the company. The reason for leaving should be really important. If you like the place where you are, that is worth a lot. Be patient - explain what you want.
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Another point: talk to the folks where you think you would like to go and check out whether that is really the right place for you. Sometimes an (fragmented) impression can be just not quite right.
And: if they know you are good for them, changing is much easier when there is a position.
Juliane
There has to be a job opening in the department where you want to go to.
Also: Did you talk at all to your manager about what you actually would like to do?
You can't blame her for not supporting you if you did not tell what you actually would like to do - And that you are not happy the way you are.
Even with management support this just takes a lot of time - I tried twice to change for much different reasons: first from consulting with lots of travelling to normal working hours. After 9 month or so of 'official' search for a new internal position I got an offer (without applying, just hearsay) from a different company and moved there.
Second time I wanted to change locations because I got married - well, even so there is a huge branch and my manager asked for support in the HR department - that did not help me finding a position. After commuting for a rather long time I quit again.
My samples - I just want to say: even so I think I tend to be a rather loyal employee never actually planning to change, and was lucky with managers too, to move within a company takes time and a little luck that you get what you expect.
The last thing I want to suggest is leaving the company. The reason for leaving should be really important. If you like the place where you are, that is worth a lot. Be patient - explain what you want.
--
Another point: talk to the folks where you think you would like to go and check out whether that is really the right place for you. Sometimes an (fragmented) impression can be just not quite right.
And: if they know you are good for them, changing is much easier when there is a position.
Juliane
Several months ago I formally requested a job move for all sorts of reasons. I was interviewed by HR and told that there were only 2 reasons why I could be moved:
if my current job had disappeared.
if there were health and safety reasons.
Well apart from the fact that my current job has disappeared, as a result of outsourcing the work I have a poor sickness record - some of which is congenital (diabetes and hypertension) other is stress-related - which I pointed out to the HR person (funny our HR never seem to log the reported sick absences).
Consequently I was refered to the organisation's Health Guidance Unit where the doctor said that I did have health issues but these were being controlled but there were work-related issues that needed to be addressed.
That was 3 months ago - I have had no response from HR.
Be patient indeed!
if my current job had disappeared.
if there were health and safety reasons.
Well apart from the fact that my current job has disappeared, as a result of outsourcing the work I have a poor sickness record - some of which is congenital (diabetes and hypertension) other is stress-related - which I pointed out to the HR person (funny our HR never seem to log the reported sick absences).
Consequently I was refered to the organisation's Health Guidance Unit where the doctor said that I did have health issues but these were being controlled but there were work-related issues that needed to be addressed.
That was 3 months ago - I have had no response from HR.
Be patient indeed!
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The trick is to be ready. Get trained in the area you want. Self-training is fine, but something that will give you a piece of paper makes it easier to show.
Then, when the opportunity arises, you'll be ready.
Considering the overhead of bringing new blood into a company, I should think they'd prefer to hire from within first.
I did this. I wanted to switch into IT, so I started taking classes through the local university. Someone in the IM department heard about me and when an assignment that required extra help came up, they asked if I'd be interested. It started out as a 6 month trial, which became a year, which finally became permanent.
In a way, I was lucky. In another way, you might say that because I had prepared myself, I made my own luck.
Doing something like I describe may also make your desire to switch more credible (since you're putting obvious time and effort into it), as opposed to being some sort of 7-year itch that could fade.
Good luck!
--Dave
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O Time, Strength, Cash, and Patience!![[infinity]](/data/assets/smilies/infinity.gif "[infinity] [infinity]")
Then, when the opportunity arises, you'll be ready.
Considering the overhead of bringing new blood into a company, I should think they'd prefer to hire from within first.
I did this. I wanted to switch into IT, so I started taking classes through the local university. Someone in the IM department heard about me and when an assignment that required extra help came up, they asked if I'd be interested. It started out as a 6 month trial, which became a year, which finally became permanent.
In a way, I was lucky. In another way, you might say that because I had prepared myself, I made my own luck.
Doing something like I describe may also make your desire to switch more credible (since you're putting obvious time and effort into it), as opposed to being some sort of 7-year itch that could fade.
Good luck!
--Dave
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O Time, Strength, Cash, and Patience!
bad news may be the trained people themselves. most of us do not have a high opinion of non techs. not as much of a disdain but a lack of tech skill in our mind relates to a lack of understanding. telling me you don't write code but could help me with my job or be my manager rings of delbert. not to say you couldn't be an assect, just get some paper before you except much positive feedback.
john poole
bellsouth business
columbia,sc
john poole
bellsouth business
columbia,sc
John, I agree with you about the clueless being bosses. My current boss isn't like that, but I've had my share of 'em.
I'd rather hire someone who's had hands-on experience than a college grad-yoo-ate because book theory has little to do with the real world. Match up a youngster who's been working in a mom-and-pop computer store for a year and a new grad with an Associates degree, and the computer store kid will beat the grad nearly every time at fixing a broken PC or figuring out why software is screwing up.
Almost every college grad I've interviewed had the investigative skills of a sponge - colleges seem to want students to learn everything by rote so they can answer the questions on a test. The computer store techie, on the other hand, has had to learn not only where to look for answers, but what questions to ask in the first place, and the problems and solutions aren't in a textbook.
From the people I've interviewed, a diploma just means you had the perserverence to go to classes, it doesn't prove you're qualified. Those are the ones who end up as supervisors and, because they know a little about technical stuff, they make it difficult for the rest of us.
Steve Harmon
Greenfield, Indiana
I'd rather hire someone who's had hands-on experience than a college grad-yoo-ate because book theory has little to do with the real world. Match up a youngster who's been working in a mom-and-pop computer store for a year and a new grad with an Associates degree, and the computer store kid will beat the grad nearly every time at fixing a broken PC or figuring out why software is screwing up.
Almost every college grad I've interviewed had the investigative skills of a sponge - colleges seem to want students to learn everything by rote so they can answer the questions on a test. The computer store techie, on the other hand, has had to learn not only where to look for answers, but what questions to ask in the first place, and the problems and solutions aren't in a textbook.
From the people I've interviewed, a diploma just means you had the perserverence to go to classes, it doesn't prove you're qualified. Those are the ones who end up as supervisors and, because they know a little about technical stuff, they make it difficult for the rest of us.
Steve Harmon
Greenfield, Indiana
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I recommend a simple discussion with someone who runs a department you are interested in. If you work in the company, this should be simple. A phone call or better yet, walk down, introduce yourself, and ask if you can buy him or her lunch one day. Explain that you want to discuss career aspirations and want their input.
When I worked for a large insurance company that is what I did. HR would not put my requisition through because I lacked the specific skills the job posting required. I simply called the manager of the hiring department and explained my situation and that I was interested in what they did.
We had a meeting - not an interview - a simply discussion.
Based on that, the person running the department pulled my requisition from HR and then hired me.
Of course, there are those who will say that what I did circumvented HR. Getting a job is pretty easy - getting a job you want takes more work. If what I did was perceived as circumventing HR (I don't believe it is but I'm just addressing that concern) and there was fallout, I am happy to live with that rather than let good opportunities pass me by.
It is not illegal, immoral, or too direct to speak to others at your company and meet those in a position to move your career forward. And yet, I hear of people all the time waiting for that perfect job posting in the department of their choice before ever letting that department know they exist.
While I never moved into the IT department for that insurance company (I turned down many job offers from them because I found working in a user department to be better for overall career development.) I made sure I kept in touch, went to lunch, offered my assistance, to departments I admired and had an interest in.
On more than one occassion over my 6 years there I was contacted by a department head prior to a job posting - asking if I would consider moving to their department.
Speak to those you wish to work for and let them know of your knowledge and ambition. You can find out a lot in those conversations.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Career Blog: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
When I worked for a large insurance company that is what I did. HR would not put my requisition through because I lacked the specific skills the job posting required. I simply called the manager of the hiring department and explained my situation and that I was interested in what they did.
We had a meeting - not an interview - a simply discussion.
Based on that, the person running the department pulled my requisition from HR and then hired me.
Of course, there are those who will say that what I did circumvented HR. Getting a job is pretty easy - getting a job you want takes more work. If what I did was perceived as circumventing HR (I don't believe it is but I'm just addressing that concern) and there was fallout, I am happy to live with that rather than let good opportunities pass me by.
It is not illegal, immoral, or too direct to speak to others at your company and meet those in a position to move your career forward. And yet, I hear of people all the time waiting for that perfect job posting in the department of their choice before ever letting that department know they exist.
While I never moved into the IT department for that insurance company (I turned down many job offers from them because I found working in a user department to be better for overall career development.) I made sure I kept in touch, went to lunch, offered my assistance, to departments I admired and had an interest in.
On more than one occassion over my 6 years there I was contacted by a department head prior to a job posting - asking if I would consider moving to their department.
Speak to those you wish to work for and let them know of your knowledge and ambition. You can find out a lot in those conversations.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Career Blog: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
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