<br>I've tried the Macromedia Javascript. On a IE3 browser it STILL fetches the Flash plugin.<br><br>Thing is.. People who don't have flash do not need to download it to view the layout, for the HTML version looks almost the same..<br><br>I'd like to use a script which puts a .SWF in a placeholder when the flash Player is detected and a .JPG or .GIF when it isn't. No need for 'you can download flash here' buttons or something. <p>MASiR<br><a href=mailto:masir@bigfoot.com>masir@bigfoot.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>