I had been able to get the value from the subform to the form, my problem is that I need that value in the table of the form and since the field's control source is =[formula] I am unable to get that value into the table. I also want to be sure that if additional values are added to the payroll datasheet subform, that the final totals are recalculated to include the proper amount. Any suggestions will be greatly appreaciated. Guess right now I can't see the forest for the trees.