Bridged telephone Expansion Boards ... Where to buy ? 3

[lanassist]

A new client recently had his appartment redone by an Electrician.
The cabling was in Cat 6 and apart from the fact that this itself is unlikely to pass the certification, the distribution of the Telco lines has not been completed.
The guy did not know how to approach the problem.
There is central 19" cabinet for a 'so called' modern RCS.

I have been asked to complete this part and control that the reset has been done correctly.

After several attempts researching for Expansion Boards/Telco Distribtion Modules in the south of Europe I have found nothing available and equivalent to certain products available on the US market.

eg : Leviton, Suttle, Channel Plus etc.
Even AMP, Ortronics etc have something on this.

Usually these small simple precabled (soldered) boards manage 1-4 lines IN and can distribute to 6-9 domestic internal lines OUT.
There are of course other larger models.

Apart from resorting to purchasing a 19" 110 Patch panel and building it myself the upsetting thing here is these boards start from $ 30,00 up and are practically Plug and Play.

What is more there are some boards which have an incoroprated DSL filter so that the residence can be data cabled through a Router for Internet access, as is the desire in this case .

Can somebody suggest where to buy these boards ?
I have tried TwaComm but the response time is hopeless.
Suttle does not respond either ...

Any help would be most appreciated.

 

[jeffmoss26]

are there any electrical supply houses where you are? here in the US most of them also sell data/telecom products or at least have access to them.


jeff moss

 

[lanassist]

Hi,

Of course however here Vendors of (small) residential cabling components are still hard to come by. Commercial and Industrial material is ok.
For $. 30,00 - 65,00 + with shipping it would still be a viable solution.
[I had mentioned the question of a residential flat cabinet to the client last year which would have been more discrete and in many respects more appropriate.]

However here we are ...

Any suggestions for purchase ?

 

[Johnthephoneguy]

Google search what you are looking for and I am sure you can simply buy it online.

 

[lanassist]

To Johnthephoneguy

If that is all you can say then keep it to yourself.

> ... you can simply buy it online.
I am well aware of such possibilities. The arguments were stated before and I also mentioned the question of a couple of well known Buy Online Firms.
One would think that since this is a Forum dedicated to Cabling and such questions, Experts like you might have condescended to offer a useful suggestion rather than a completely void comment.

 

[Johnthephoneguy]

You asked for a suggestion of where to buy something. There is no greater tool these days available than using the internet and a search engine to find ANYTHING you want!

You did not ask for directions to build something, nor a specific question about a specific Model, you asked where to buy "these boards".

I don't feel my comment was in the least bit void based on the question you asked.

 

[TouchToneTommy]

Since it was apparently possible to get the modules for the data cables, get TWICE the quantity of the same modules for the voice side.

Terminate the voice cables as if they were data cables.

Patch to the other set of modules.

Use jumper wire to distribute the lines in whatever fashion you need to the modules.

Forget about the "telco" modules, as they are never wired for the way you really want to connect the lines anyway.

 

[phoneguy55]

John, your right on the money. Have a star. I can't even understand what lanassist is looking for. It sounds like he wants a way to terminate cat 6 cables. But it is hard to tell. If so, there are two options 210 blocks and patch pannel.

 

[Johnthephoneguy]

Thanks Phoneguy55 I didn't think I was offbase and I am not sure what exactly he is asking for now to be honest. oh well!

 

[skip555]

I dont think he knows what he is looking for

 

[lanassist]

It is surprising that it is not understandable to those who frequent Cabling Forums.
A simple question like : Can somebody suggest where to buy these boards ? is not understandable for certain members here. Generally in such Forums when somebody asks for commercial advice the experts throng together to give the best of their experience and what I received is :

jeff moss's friendly but actually inappropriate suggestion, since I had already controlled several of the main vendors in the area and small 1 to 4 telco hubs are neither sufficient nor acceptable.

I asked the question again : Any suggestions for purchase ? only to receive Johnthephoneguy's comment. 'Go Google'
Generally in cases such as these in other Forums I would have expected to see from 'Experts' a response like :

Hi
In my experience the Firm xxx has always given me a professional service and quick delivery, it also offers these components and also has a OnLine store. Try it here. [link]
Bye

Succinct, appropriate and helpful.

I am suggested to wander around Googling as if a toddler did not know that.
Neither appropriate nor helpful. A Forum is for sharing information and experience and if the guy understands what a Telco Distribution Board is, then I think he would have been able to do better

Next pitch was from Vendor:
The Data and Voice lines patch panel were already setup as you mention. The problem of distributing the Telco lines remains (1 or 2 to many with DSL)
Secondly buying up some other connectors for the PP and then running a jumper wire from behind and then patching from the front is likely to prove to be cumbersome if not well nigh impossible.
Try doing so with Panduit MinCom Modules and tell me how you found it ? You would need IDC connectors
Otherwise the idea could be feasible but you are coming close to proposing the 110 idea which I had mentioned in the beginning was not really the choice for this client. It is of course a choice and valid one for small Offices on where there are numerous connections.
Your second comment leaves room for criticism.
I would like to remind you that your own National and International suppliers, Tycho/Amp, Ortronics, long standing Bicsi Partners, propose these components in their Home Networking RCS. [For those others, in this thread at least, who seem to be unable to understand anything RCS = Residential Cabling System.] If we add Leviton to this group and there are plenty more, all three provide similar proposals excellent Residential solutions then you might care to rephrase you suggestion. BTW these are Cat 5e components

If you have another proposal I will be interested

Apart from Vendor there was nobody capable of suggesting anything in slightest way useful.
Thus I suggest that the others go and investigate the other threads which are no doubt more meriting of their expertise and leave space for anybody here who may have something 'useful' and appropriate to contribute.
Things like 'I do not understand' when the aim was clearly stated at the beginning seems pointless and lacking professionalism.
In the first post I mentioned '... Expansion Boards/Telco Distribtion Modules ...' and 'Can somebody suggest where to buy these boards ?'
I also mentioned the possibility of 'resorting to purchasing a 19" 110 Patch panel and building it ' which would be a pity since a prebuilt Board is simple and if with a DSL Filter can be even more efficient and cheaper.

Conclusion I asked the people who work in Cabling and read this message, who could suggest a tried, trusted and efficient Vendor who has similar components and who may also ship abroad.
Result : Many do not understand ... and apart from one answer I receive nothing close to a solution

 

[skip555]

ok then

Hi
In my experience the Firm xxx has always given me a professional service and quick delivery, it also offers these components and also has a OnLine store. Try it here. [link]
Bye

 

[Johnthephoneguy]

You certainly like to talk down to people trying to help, a little arrogant but that is not surprising.

Your first question was not

"Conclusion I asked the people who work in Cabling and read this message, who could suggest a tried, trusted and efficient Vendor who has similar components and who may also ship abroad"

it was simple "Can somebody suggest where to buy these boards ?"

So read what you ask before you go running your mouth off for no reasons. Where to buy these boards is such a general question a great answer is to google it, and that is in no way impyling you are a toddler, other than your own respsonses here, they suffice to say that already.

 

[lopes1211]

A 19" 24 port patch panel can be had for $30. Bridging all 24 blue, orange, green, brown pairs together would take approximately 4 minutes to bridge 4 lines to 23 cables. Any combination of single line, 2 line, 3 line, or 4 line phones could be acomplished this way. 110, 66, or BIX would also be quick, easy, clean, and correct. Not sure what the reason for a "simpler" non-flexible "soldered" solution would be other than not being competent with industry standard termination methods.

Not sure why a client would have someone run cable for them who knows nothing about terminations (the electrician) then feel the need to contract with yet another person who knows nothing about cabling to fix/finish what the electrician did. Asking professionals what methods of termination would be recommended, easier, more flexible, etc. would be an appropriate question for the professionals in this forum. Where do I buy a soldered board splitter termination thingy is definately more appropriate for google as stated before. It's not a professional, certifiable, or industry standard method of termination therefore you wont find a lot of help from professionals on the matter.

-CL

 

[phoneguy55]

well said lopes!

 

[Johnthephoneguy]

With a name like Lanass we shouldn't expect too much from this guy!

It was well said Lopes!