ANOTHER XP NETWORK QUESTION

[Axel7]

Like many here i have a network problem.

This is the slow xp network browsing problem.

I have found many suggestions and have fixed half my problems

The problem is I have the three computer in a network sharing a hub/router. the 98se machine is the server for some files and one
DOS based program.

The two XP machines are fast when I look throw Net Neighbourhood at the shared directores on the server (ie. mapped drives)

They have a few directories with 100mb worth of data files.
When everything was 98se it was fast to browse these directories throw the Programs that accessed these directories.

But since we have upgraded to XP workstations the browsing is really slow. (10 to 20) seconds just bring them up.

****** On the first XP pro machine *********

I tried all that i could find to fix this problem..
I removed the string in the registry ---local machine,software,microsoft,windows,exporer, etc and removed the D************** string
I went add added off the XP disk the Net beui protocol under the value added directory
I went and add in the TCP/IP protocol advanced and set enable the netbios.

AND probably a few other I cant remember. and

BINGO it finally works worked and everything is GOOD.

BUT i went and tried to add the same things to the other machine
and set it up exactly the same and NO GOOD.....

I then moved the files from the 98se machine to the SECOND XP machine and tried to access the files from the FIRST machine that now running great and it was slow again, But fast ot the 98se machine.


What could be the problem ?????????

FIRST machine
XP PRO
PENTIUM 3 700
256 RAN
FAT32 FORMATED 20GIG hd

sERVER
WIN98 SE
PENTIUM 2 266
128MB RAM
FAT32 FORMATTED 40GIG HD

SECOND MACHINE
XP PRO
PENTIUM 4 1.8GIG
256M RAM
NTSF FORMATTED 40GIG HD


HELP PLEASE

 

[audiopimp]

Might want to try something as simple as testing your cat5 or 5e cables throughout the office or whatever. Seems like your losing stuff along the way... ( hope this helps

 

[Axel7]

the cables were fine when they all were running in 98se OS
so i dont think its a hardware problem

 

[XPisfree]

Check the ORDER that each machine accesses the LAN/Internet Provider's web server. They may be already connected to the provider in a seperate order to the order you add on the LAN

 

[Axel7]

Sorry but I have no idea what you mean or how to check that.....

I that something i check in each computer Net neighbourhood
or something I check onthe linksys router??????

 

[TheZeDD]

Axel, I second your notion that XP made, I think he was reading another article about Remote Network Acess =)

Axcel, I noticed you said you did do the manual installation off the cd for the Netbeui and then activated it. Not sure what you meant about activated but I will take for granted that the two files used by Netbeui were aquired ?

Microsoft decided that Netbeui used by our "so ancient" 9x/Me os's was just too much to incorporate and cost effective if you simply upgraded =P

-=> Quick Note: Your using a Hub/Router: all in one or seperate units? If seperate then check your plugged into/not plugged into the correct ports. If your using an uplinked device on an uplink port/switch you may not be able to use one of the other ports on the hub portion and though you may be able to get away with it at times it may or will cause network connectivity problems. Also, if your using any firewalls other than XP be sure that outgoing TCP ports 135-139 are not blocked or being hampered by other settings.

So anyways, as long as you can see your machines and their directories can be seen by all on the network, and as far as I can tell by what you have stated all seems fine otherwise, browsing to and thru XP directories from 9x platforms will be slow and even slower with your older machines =(

I would say in leu of all to attempt the Netbeui process over on the macine in problem. If it still seems HOSED [Hardware Or Software Error Detected =] then try reinstalling and rebuilding the NiC install again.

But before doing the uninstall try swapping a cable/station around and recopying the two Netbeui required files back over.

- Drop us a line back!

 

[N3XuS]

I have exactly the same problem here.
1 XP machine and 2 Win98 SE systems connected to a router which goes to the cable modem. I can see on my router which PCs are in 100MBit status, which is only the XP system, the 2 win98 are in 10Mb. All cards are 10/100 and previous to the router and the XP system all worked fine. Now I can't even watch videoclips over the network.
I have one question though, how do I make that disk to transfer the netbeui XP protocol to the win98 systems ? I have removed every softwarefirewell too, as they even blocked all my intern computers. Also since yesterday it has been goin even slower after I turned the settings on full duplex :s and those cards support it. Anyhow a few things I'm going to try are
- connecting a win98 system to winXP with a crossover cable to eliminate every router related problem.
- Get the XP system out of the network maybe the other 2 will go into 100...

I hope someone has an answer to this

 

[N3XuS]

Oh heh almost forgot this one ... how can I get the 'protected directory's' into my shared stuff ? It doesn't permit access. I guess you can solve it by setting up a server and have the computers login to a domain, but that requires a computer running full time.

 

[Axel7]

Thanks again...

I have a few pieces that you wanted

1-xp machine that works
IP 192.168.1.100
subnet 255.255.255.0
def gateway 192.168.1.1
advanced info
00 40 f4v 1f ba a7
DNS server 24.69.255.195
24.69.255.212

2-xp machine that is problem
IP 192.168.1.102
subnet 255.255.255.0
def gateway 192.168.1.1
advanced info
00-04-e0-02-5d-c0
DNS server 24.69.255.195
24.69.255.212

3-win98 machine
IP 192.168.1.101
subnet 255.255.255.0
def gateway 192.168.1.1
adv info
00 04 5a 55 08 e1
DNS server 24.69.255.195


The machines are connected by a Linksys router cable/dsl Router 4 port....

The internet comes in via Cable. modem into router.


The only thing I can find different is that the 2 xp machine is NTFS file format and the other 2 are fat32?????

Does anybody have the info to check about looking in the router for 100 or 10 speed for each computer.
as the previous poster mentioned

 

[TheZeDD]

Hey Ax ... Thanx for the info. As far as I can see all looks fine. Have you tried anything via my last post or any past that?

Before you post back try a few of the above items. - Z

Nex, to your question of: "how do I make that disk to transfer the netbeui XP protocol to the win98 systems ?"

Answer: You don't, the files are included on your XP disk and are copied over to your Windows folder.

To another note: You can and will at times run into more problems forcing 9x platforms to full duplex =)

You sound like you have more problems then good bud. You have somewhere between a short process and a 3x reinstall if you know what i mean =0

First I would try installing your Netbeui properly on your XP machine and then see that all boxes see each other on the network.

Then I would also be sure you have provisioned access properly. Then I would check your network connectivity again. If all still seems HOSED [Hardware or Software Error Detected] and you say all works fine so long as your XP machine is not up, then try another hub and cables.

I would also suggest that before you "Tweak" ANYTHING including your network you first make sure that all is working. No reason to throw a "Monkey Tweakin Wrench" into something that is not even working yet and then start asking questions =)

- I wish you luck ..

 

[TheZeDD]

Ax, you stated: "Does anybody have the info to check about looking in the router for 100 or 10 speed for each computer. as the previous poster mentioned"

If your fortunate enough your Network card or your router's LED's will may show some type of user verification as to what is plugged in and what is the working port/nic speed.

If you do not have these informative LED's you could try and download some programs that allow one to test for this.

You could just simply try transfering files between your network.

A strong 10bit connection will transfer 700megs in about 15 minutes.

A strong 100bit in full duplex [200mbs] will yield around 1gig [1000 megabytes (not bits)] in about 5 minutes [about 10 minutes in non-duplex]!

- Cheers

 

[Axel7]

Thanks for the heads up

I was so busy checking the software in the router i never looked under the desk to see the led lights

Yes the lights are all saying 100 bit trasnfer is working.

it transfers the files fast enough...that has never been the prob..

I is like it confused in looking for the computer when asked to check curtain directories in curtain programs...

DNS or host files are the root im looking right know..
as I have read some different people having this problem but I havent read a answer yet

 

[TheZeDD]

I guess take for granted when on your LOCAL Network [NOT remote] that when it comes to browsing [surfing] TO your LOCAL XP clients/directories FROM your 9x machines that so long as you CAN see the XP directories/clients and ALSO that your 9x clients surf your 9x clients quickly that 9x doesn't surf thru XP as smoothly.

That all make sense? 9x does not and WILL not [and probably never as far as MS is concerned] surf thru XP directories as quick as it will when surfing 9x to 9x directories NO MATTER HOW fast a machine you have and even on occasion [depending on alot of senario's] XP to XP can and will be slow too!

I wonder how many times these lines have been repeated =)

If you have a couple spare drives lying around you could try reinstalling them with different NiC's to see if the prob is resolved. I dont recall reading on how you installed these XP machines. Did you do a fresh install or upgrade?

- Cheers!

 

[TheZeDD]

Axcel, Hey .. Do you have or have tried installing iPX? Its an older protocol that was mainly for old DOS/Novel TCP-iP transport, not used much anymore.

Just install it on all your machines, its a simple click and add.

- Z

 

[Axel7]

Thanks for the update about ipx protocol i havent tried it yet...


PS TheZeDD

Im not even using the 98se machine it is just a server to store data. The Xp machine has to access the 98machine to retreave files, and the surfing directories in some programs are dead slow. retreiving and saving files to the directories are fast...

The second XP machine had this problem and It is know up to speed in these tasks.. XP to XP is also slow...

 

[Marcs41]

Maybe nothing to do with it in combination with Win98, but, is your indexing turned on and started on the XP machines?

 

[Axel7]

marcs41 what is indexing (ouch)

I dont know what that is????

It has nothing to do with a win98 machine as it more to do
with the way the network is dealing with browsing I THINK

 

[Marcs41]

In Xp, goto the Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Service - Indexing Service.
When you click on it, you can read it indexes local AND remote computers, it is worth a shot.

 

[ceh4702]

chek for the Master Brower settings on the Nic Card If you do not like my post feel free to point out your opinion or my errors.

 

[accnt10nt]

ceh4702 there is no master brower setting on the Nic Card
only
Link Speed/duplex mode auto mode
Network address Not Present ticked
Receiver Buffer size 64k