Above ceiling permits

[mikeydidit]

Have any of you had to use a above ceiling permit while working in a university setting? Our physical plant is considering going to this type system, and i was wondering how others did theirs.

Mike Jones
LSUHSC

 

[franklin97355]

Not sure what you mean by "above ceiling permit

 

[mikeydidit]

This is going to be an in-house permit that staff and outside contractors would have to get to work above ceilings. The purpose being a way to police firewall penetrations, sleeves install correctly, and conduits get sealed with appropriate fires stop materials.

Mike Jones
LSUHSC

 

[Servamatic]

Mike

I would certainly require they submit the UL Listed Firestop Assembly Sheet before any work is performed, and then inspect to make sure they built it exactly as specified in that sheet.

Just having them submit the proper Assemble Sheet would be a good indicator they know what they are doing. If they ask what it is, I would be suspect of them being able to perform a true firestop.

I would also ask for Conduit Fill Ratios on the sleeves to be firestopped, if they can't provide that I would again be suspect.

By the way, I have a little stand alone Fill Ratio Calculator that I wrote in VB that works like a champ.


Richard S. Anderson, RCDD

http://www.servamatic.net

 

[Jtodd]

Well, being that I am all the staff that would be getting up to do work above the ceiling, I'm not sure the permit thing would do too much. And contractors all get out here on bid projects, and those get inspected by myself as well as the formal construction inspector (and our new one is GOOD!).
Right now we're having a hard enough time getting Facilities to tell us when they've approved some one else to dig on campus. We've lost one conduit (fortunately an empty one) and had two close calls without any notification that people were digging. The other place we have problems is cubical re-alignments. We usually don't know about those until the user submitts a work order after the fact to have their PC plugged into a data jack that no longer exists.
Anyway, I'm curious, would you be doing the inspection on these permits? Or would the facilitise people be doing the inspection?

Justin T. Clausen
Physical Layer Implementation
California State University, Monterey Bay

 

[mikeydidit]

Our physical plant people would be doing the inspections. I believe that they are trying to set up something like you mentioned about your construction inspector. Too many contractors are coming in and not caulking their firewall penetrations is the main problem. The only way to really make sure everyone is doing what they should is to check behind them. This would give their inspector the general idea of where to check for those infractions.

Mike Jones
LSUHSC

 

[buitenhek]

Dear Richard,
I have a fill ratio excel program (not VB) that I market but will give you answers for free.

I have the standard and another where I can take up to 4 different cable sizes and counts for conduits 1/2" to 6".

I also have NASA packing (very tight)obviously not IEEE or BICSI-EIA/TIA. And finally the cable packing for a trough. If it helps let me know.




Regards
Peter Buitenhek
Profit Developer.com