3300 Release 6.1 (new password required)

[MitelInMyBlood]

Rls 6.1 new for the 3300 won't load without a new MOP regardless whether you're buying new feats or not.
The new MOP has to come from the AMC (only place to get it)
This could present a problem for the used equip market.
The running MOP also no longer displays on the sys ops form.

 

[paterson]

When you say it has to come from the AMC, do you mean that the 3300 unit needs to have internet access and download the MOP? Or do you mean that you can only find the MOP on AMC and then you can physically type in the MOP?

I thought that once you physically type in the options and MOP into a 3300, the option to give it internet access and download licences from AMC is no longer available. Basically if this is true, then all pre REL 6.0 machines would be affected.

Anyone have any clearification on this?

Thank you MitelInMyBlood for the heads up!

 

[MitelInMyBlood]

The 3300 itself does not require Internet access.
However, the PC on which you have the Software Installer (SI) utility -does- need Internet access.
From what I'm able to find out the SI utility talks to the AMC.
I would therefore imagine if you're doing automated software upgrades from opsman or enterprise mgr that it too would need to have some way of communicating w/the AMC.
I've probably got this totally wrong and apologize for sloppy note taking, but the bottom line still is anything that's of questionable origin or has questionable license history will not be upgradeable to 6.1 without getting relicensed.
Personally I see no problem with this but it may make upgrades a little tougher to do.

 

[MitelInMyBlood]

Possible clarification here
You no longer type in the MOP because you no longer have it.
The AMC creates an application ID which you put into the SI utility (while connected to the AMC I think)
The SI utility in turn automatically sets the opts and license quantities for you and blindly (all xxx's) puts in the MOP.
You never see the MOP.
When you call up the sys opts form of a 3300 running 6.1 the MOP is blanked out.
I'll see if I can get the 6.1 update training docs or release notes, surely it will be better documented there.
Last I looked the 6.1 software wasn't released to production but is supposed to be avail later this week.

 

[paterson]

I have recently upgraded a new system (yet to be installed) from 5.X to 6.0.2.5.

First I created a new Application ID in AMC and assigned licences that had been purchased for this customer. Then, after upgrading the 3300, I went into the System IP settings of the 3300 and defined a DNS server. Then I went into the System Option form and entered in the newly created Application ID. The 3300 then went out to the AMC through the internet connection I gave it and downloaded its licences. I did nothing through the SI tool other than upgrading the software.

From what I am gathering from what you wrote, there is a second way or perhaps a new way for communicating to the AMC website during a software upgrade. If this is so, that is okay, but what happens if a customer just wants to add licences after they have upgraded? Do you still have to run the SI tool to install the MOP?

Yes, some more documentation would be great. Thanks for keeping us updated!

 

[mitelman]

If you want to add licenses you can simply put the application record id in the licensing form. If configured the 3300 will go to AMC and retrieve the proper licensing. I have used it a few times already. Works good.

It is acutally fairly simple to use in 6.0 and higher. As long as the pbx has some way of getting to the internet, you simply put in a valid DNS server address so the pbx can resolve the mitel-amc.com and retreive the license.

 

[MitelInMyBlood]

The above from paterson & mitelman are both correct.

There is also an "offline" method which does not require the PC running the SI tool to have Internet access.
However, in either mode (online or offline) you still must go to the AMC to obtain a new MOP.

Bottom line is that a new MOP is REQUIRED for release 6.1 - and with this new method for getting one it wouldn't surprise me to see Mitel start requiring a new MOP for every future release.

The implication here is that your 3300 must have an Application Record ID which means it must be registered and the installed feats & lic counts have to match whats on the app record (when A + B = C you get the MOP).

Mitelman is also correct that it's not a problem and actually seems pretty easy, but looks like it (requiring a new MOP coupled with the method for getting it) could be a stumbling block for the secondary market and that's likely the reason for it.

 

[paterson]

Thanks MitelInMyBlood,

Could you clearify one thing for me. Another tech in my office had told me that once you have physically entered in the MOP into a 3300 instead of having the 3300 download from the AMC, that you are then stuck with ALWAYS having to physically enter in the MOP for new licenses. Basically the procedure for downloading is no longer available. Is this true? It sure sounds like that is not true as any pre REL 6.0 machines would not be able to follow the new procedure.

 

[MitelInMyBlood]

No.
You can do it either way and it does not matter how it was done previously.
Maybe your other tech misunderstood something he was told.
All that matters is from 6.1 forward you have to go to the AMC for a new MOP.
The Software Installer should be able to handle it either way.

 

[paterson]

Thank you very much!

 

[mitelman]

One of the big reasons for going to this method will be the ability to move licenses between switches in a networked environment. This is a big deal for some of our multi-site customers as they grow and shrink in their locations. Now we will be able to move licenses from switch to switch. Good cost savings for them. We couldn't do this before because if you download the MOSS then you kno the password and you can;t really take devices away.

 

[MitelInMyBlood]

Good point.
Yes, I had forgotten about that.
The ability to move licenses was one of the things asked for by the NAMU group.